Chapter 449

Chapter 449

Can a strategist not ascend the throne? Extra Chapter 4 (1)

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Can a Strategist Not Ascend the Throne?

Chapter 449 Extra Chapter 4 (1)

[History Section] [Hot] [So Bored, Let’s Argue]

Question:

Li Tao, who is the most trusted minister of Emperor Taizu of Da Yong?

[1st Floor] I’m on the front line for gossip

Wow!

[2nd Floor] Skyrocket

Before clicking: Who is it? Trying to make us old-timers argue.

After clicking: As expected of you.

[3rd Floor] My history is bad, don’t call me.

If I remember correctly, similar topics have been posted before, but they all got heated beyond five pages and were manually moderated by the forum admin.

[4th Floor] Shining Light

Hard not to suspect that the OP just wants to sit in the banned section.

[5th Floor] A Passerby

“Rational discussion” has nothing to do with the question you asked.

[6th Floor] OP

Reply to above: None.

Extremely subjective question.

The OP is bored and wants to see fans fight.

[7th Floor] Ah Heng is Absolutely Stunning

Great, you’re even more punchable than the OP who went to the excavation site and hasn’t returned yet.

[8th Floor] Excavator??? Why mention me? I’m busy following my mentor to open a tomb.

[9th Floor]

If you were really working hard, you wouldn’t be on the forum now.

[10th Floor] Excavator

Senior, I’m sorry, I’m leaving now.

…

[17th Floor] Dream of Holding the Sun

Just typed a few lines and already see you guys chatting so much. Emperor Taizu is indeed the top stream in history circles.

Seriously nominating Cheng Yu.

As the first strategist to follow Emperor Taizu, Cheng Yu’s importance is undeniable.

Although there are few records of him joking around with Emperor Taizu, just the dream of holding the sun at Mount Tai is enough to beat many.

Moreover—

During Emperor Taizu’s campaigns, Cheng Yu was the top person in charge at the rear.

He first entered the court as one of the Nine Ministers and then rose to the Three Dukes.

When Emperor Taizu personally campaigned against Ye City and led the campaign against the remnants of the Xianbei, Cheng Yu was in charge of supervising the state.

Emperor Taizu may have trusted many ministers, but Cheng Yu’s position was special because he rarely proposed unusual strategies but ensured the stable operation of government affairs.

Even by age, experience, and seniority, Cheng Yu was undoubtedly a pillar!

[18th Floor] Slacking Off

Too many words, not reading.

[19th Floor] Hangover Cure by Fengxiao

One sentence hit: Cheng Yu was not buried in Emperor Taizu’s mausoleum.

[20th Floor] Cute Without Brains

One sentence hit: Cheng Yu was not entrusted as a key minister in Emperor Taizong’s court.

[21st Floor] Dream of Holding the Sun??????

[22nd Floor] American Cockroach

LOL, your circle’s fights always hit the lungs.

[23rd Floor] Dream of Holding the Sun??? The first sentence is tolerable, at most saying only the Grand Historian had this treatment, but the second sentence is too much!!

Emperor Taizu passed the throne in 52 AD, and Cheng Yu had already passed away ten years before that!

[24th Floor] Cola Without Ice

Ants have been racing for ten years!

[25th Floor] My History is Bad, Don’t Call Me

Can’t hold it anymore after seeing the above.

Defending Cheng Yu.

He served as the Secretary Director until his 80s before retiring, and served as a consultant for another seven years before passing away.

The Emperor personally noted that he was a model of dedication until death, even leaving the Secretary Director position vacant for five years.

QWQ How could he be attacked for not becoming a key minister left for Emperor Taizong’s court?

[26th Floor] Ah Heng is Absolutely Stunning

Poor Cheng Rili, LOL.

[27th Floor] Knife Knife Knife

Quietly adding for the above.

The five-year vacancy was Emperor Taizu’s test for Emperor Taizong’s succession, not left for Cheng Yu.

[28th Floor] Hangover Cure by Fengxiao

(Dog head)(Dog head)(Dog head)

If that’s the case, kick Xi Zhicai and Xun Yu out of the nomination list too.

Because none were left as ministers for Emperor Taizong’s court.

[29th Floor] Xun Ling’s Fragrance

(Rolling up sleeves ready to fight) Emperor Taizu’s court tradition, officials retire at 80, and generally live long.

But living long doesn’t mean becoming centenarians.

Tell me, if Xun Wenruo lived until Emperor Taizu passed the throne, how old would he be!

[30th Floor] Shining Light

I know this, 85.

[31st Floor]

Not as impressive as above, if Cheng Yu lived until then, he’d be over 100.

[32nd Floor] Where’s My Ball

(Banging the table laughing) Although I knew it would be heated before clicking, didn’t expect this kind of fight.

[33rd Floor] Governor of Bingzhou

Seeing Xi Zhicai mentioned above, can’t help but add.

According to his early life habits, if not corrected by the Emperor, he might not have lived to 30 AD, seeing the stability of Da Yong’s court, the Emperor having heirs, peace everywhere, and tributes from all directions.

Xi Zhicai’s fans don’t mind him not becoming a minister for the new emperor.

[34th Floor] She Yu

No no, think this way.

They are forever Emperor Taizu’s ministers, forever in harmony.

[35th Floor] Dream of Holding the Sun

Good… good reason. Standing straight now.

[36th Floor] Cola Without Ice

So Fu Shou and Cai Zhaoji can use this reason too, right!

They left after the Emperor retired.

[37th Floor] Long Live Emperor Wu

Why make it sound so tragic??

They went to be the Emperor’s travel buddies!!!

[38th Floor] Kou Kou

And General Lv, dazed, said she would be the Emperor’s bodyguard and left too.

With her own successor in place, she just left.

[39th Floor] One Bite One

Left so fast.

Neighboring Governor Deng Ai was shocked when he got the news.

[40th Floor] Excavator

Somehow, even though General Lv had granddaughters by 52 AD, and her daughter had already risen to a high position, she still feels like a young general.

[41st Floor] What’s a Red Hare

Probably because of General Lv’s study notes unearthed.

Feels quite similar to Emperor Taizong’s early state, both obsessively reading Emperor Taizu’s deeds, afraid of missing any useful information, and then praising whenever they implemented something.

Ah, indeed the Emperor’s ideas were right and such.

[42nd Floor] Cute Without Brains

Truly a spirited young general (not many brains version)

[43rd Floor] The General’s Stubbornness

Nonsense, if our General Lv really had no brains, how could she have become Governor of Sui and held the position for so many years.

Her decision to leave was also wise.

Her prestige in the northeast was too great. Emperor Taizu didn’t mind, but Emperor Taizong might.

Leaving after success, returning the black soil to the new emperor, truly a model for officials.

[44th Floor] Hangover Cure by Fengxiao

Wait, can someone tell me if the above is veering off-topic a bit.

Aren’t we supposed to be “arguing” who is the Emperor’s most trusted minister?

[45th Floor] A Passerby

I guess fans of each are busy typing.

[46th Floor] I’m on the Front Line for Gossip

Only us bystanders can watch here completely carefree.

[47th Floor] Cute Without Brains

LOL, so true.

…【63楼】Yam Rib Soup

I’m here, I’m here. Since Xi Zhicai was mentioned earlier, let me nominate him.

After Xi Zhicai’s burial letters were unearthed, historical records became much more complete, especially regarding His Majesty’s early years in Leping.

The Book of Later Han didn’t dare to write about it, and the Yong Book was too brief. It was Xi Zhicai’s relics that provided clarity.

Several discarded drafts of documents submitted to Emperor Ling of Han—only a completely trusted minister could write documents to the Son of Heaven on behalf of His Majesty. Especially one confession letter, which, after comparing with the Han Dynasty’s government storehouse records, revealed that only the part where His Majesty named himself “Ye Shu” was newly added.

Several letters recording Leping matters sent to friends—His Majesty wasn’t worried at all about Xi Zhicai leaking secrets, completely allowing his actions. In his diary, Xi Zhicai wrote that His Majesty only occasionally inquired, not checking everything.

(As for why the letters sent to friends ended up with him, it’s because he wrote them so provocatively that Guo Jia said he wanted to unsubscribe.)

A letter His Majesty sent him while on an expedition to Liangzhou—saying he drank wine at a noble family’s place in Liangzhou, it was delicious, but there was too little, so he drank it all himself. Oh my, such a cute letter wasn’t meant to provoke the old minister left behind; it was just a relaxed chat with a trusted subordinate.

Moreover, among Xi Zhicai’s burial items were several jade wine vessels and wine, given by His Majesty. Taking grape wine and luminous cups to the afterlife is truly the best ending for a minister.

Isn’t he worth a nomination?

…【64楼】Sitting on Zhongxuan Tower

The penman Wang Can is not convinced!

…【65楼】Then dig up Wang Can’s tomb

Hahahaha, following the career fan’s late-life breakdown from the last post, now we have the top penman’s status being snatched.

…【66楼】Leping Monthly Report Editor

But if we really talk about the top penman, it should be Zhaoji.

When it comes to documents, His Majesty probably had a good idea of what would be written and might have given specific instructions. But Zhaoji, who presided over the Leping Monthly Report and book printing for decades, is the true cultural pen.

…【67楼】Jiangliu Huaixu

Exactly, His Majesty is truly the ancestor of psychological warfare.

Although there were rumors spread to achieve military changes during the Spring and Autumn period, compared to the scale of cultural infiltration in psychological warfare, it’s completely different.

Our ancestors showed us with actions how important it is to control the mouthpiece of information media.

…【68楼】Yanyan’s Light

So now we are stronger in this aspect. (Straightens back again)

…【75楼】Zhaozhao

Nominate Zhaoji +1

Look at the treatment of those who violated His Majesty’s name taboo, and you’ll know how special Zhaoji is.

Zhaoji’s name was changed to “Wen,” and civil officials would kill to get a “Wen” posthumous title from His Majesty, but he directly put it in her name.

Cui Yan’s name was changed to Cui Zhi, hoping he would continue to advise bluntly. Although not bad, it’s worlds apart from “Wen.”

Huang Wan’s courtesy name was changed to Huang Zigui. Nominally, it meant “smooth and without sharp edges,” hoping he would act more diplomatically, but actually, hahaha, it definitely meant “return home,” and indeed, Huang Wan retired a few years later.

If this isn’t His Majesty’s trust and reliance on Zhaoji, I’ll hand-copy the entire Da Yong history.

…【76楼】A Passerby

Laughing at the last sentence, you’re ruthless.

…【77楼】Cola Without Ice

I’m different; I started laughing at Huang Wan.

Hard to judge, Huang Wan was indeed too jumpy; it’s not surprising His Majesty suddenly targeted him.

…【78楼】

Didn’t you see Huang Wan’s family tree?

He’s not only related to Liu Yan; he’s also from the Jiangxia Huang Clan.

…【79楼】Zhaozhao

Which Jiangxia Huang Clan?

…【80楼】

Huang Zu’s Huang.

…【81楼】Overlord and Concubine???? Wait, let me think.

The Huang Zu who served as the Prefect of Yuzhang in Yang Province?

The Huang Zu directly related to the deaths of Sun Ce and Sun Jian?

…【82楼】

That’s the one.

His Majesty is truly a benevolent ruler. Given Huang Wan’s tendency to dance on minefields, having a peaceful retirement is already His Majesty being lenient. Just changing his name and letting him retire was probably because Huang Wan once went to Chang’an for the Han Dynasty’s survival, barely playing the loyal minister card, and didn’t get involved in Wang Yun’s mess.

…【83楼】Sheyu

Indeed, His Majesty’s methods of expanding territory were ruthless, but he treated his ministers well.

Those who followed him in conquering the world all had peaceful endings.

And most were commemorated in later generations by entering the Xuanyuan Pavilion.

…【84楼】Want to Stick Close to Emperor Qiao Today

That’s why there’s debate over who was most trusted by His Majesty… If you really lost his trust, you’d have been thrown out long ago.

I also want His Majesty’s personal letters and exercise supervision!!!

If I had that, I promise I’d be like Xi Zhicai, going up and down the mountain several times a day, building a body as strong as an ox.

…【85楼】Guo Jia’s Hangover Cure

Hahaha, you reminded me of that annoying letter Xi Zhicai wrote to Guo Jia.

[“Alas, today I am full, tomorrow I shall make cakes to eat.”]

…【86楼】Governor of Bingzhou

Guo Jia: What friend? I’m grabbing a knife to go kill someone.

Actually: Guo Fengxiao entered Leping and never returned.

…【87楼】Shijiazhuang Zhao Zilong

Seeing the talk about expanding territory, I can’t help but nominate someone.

You’re all talking about trusted civil officials, but civil officials can’t overthrow the heavens!

Military and political power were almost completely separated during His Majesty’s reign.

Anyone who could cause real trouble had to be a military officer.

Look at our Zhao Yun, wherever there’s a shortage, he’s sent there.

…【88楼】A Passerby

xx high-point reader?

…【89楼】Thread Owner

No advertising in history-themed threads!

…【90楼】Ah Heng’s True Beauty

You want to see us argue, but you care about ads???

…【101楼】Yanyan’s Light

If you put it that way, it’s indeed correct.

Zhao Yun is truly His Majesty’s jack-of-all-trades.

Need someone to fight the Black Mountain Bandits? Call Zhao Yun.

Need someone to manage Leping’s public security? Zhao Yun’s on it.

Going to fight the Xiongnu outside the borders? Bring Zhao Yun.

Expedition to Liangzhou? Call Zhao Yun, he can also deal with the Qiang people.

Stationing troops in Guanzhong? Zhao Yun’s out.

Finally, when attacking Yuan Shao, passing through Changshan, it’s a full circle, Zhao Yun’s back again.

…【102楼】Missing a Commemorative Coin

No, we’re praising Zhao Yun for his steady handling and excellent leadership, why does it sound so funny when you say it?

…【103楼】Yanyan’s Light

Just say, with this analysis, can Zhao Yun be considered the most relied-upon minister by His Majesty!

…【104楼】

I think he’s relied upon, but not the “most.”

I want to nominate someone who seems unlikely, Jia Xu.

…【105楼】First in Line for Gossip??????

…【106楼】Shijiazhuang Zhao Zilong

Why would anyone nominate Jia Xu?

…【112楼】

Because Jia Xu might never have advised Dong Zhuo.

Author’s Note:

This chapter should have a few more Easter eggs.

Just kidding, would I list them one by one for you? (dog head)

Emperor Yongwu using “niece” is correct because she ascended through Emperor Yongxuan’s brother’s daughter. Some guessed from the extremely long posthumous title that the prototype is Wu Zetian. Didn’t want to butterfly away this empress, so I added an Easter egg.

As for Emperor Yonghuai’s situation, you guess, including how later generations developed, because I’m too lazy to make it up (very honest).

See you at 9 PM.