Chapter 454
Can a strategist not ascend the throne? Extra Chapter 6 (End)
Wow.
Protection list, such a high-end thing, must contain potential stocks from the Taizu era, right?
I checked the museum’s cloud database, and yes.
The “invisible” ones mentioned earlier are mostly on it (except those who graduated early).
Upstairs, you’re so mean, still bringing up “invisible” to oppose the OP.
The question is, if we’re talking about potential stocks, this Wang An, I have no impression of him.
I also have no impression.
This really lives up to the term “invisible”! (I even finished reading “Records of Heroes”)
Also surnamed Wang, let’s put it this way, using the two names Sister Lü mentioned.
Wang Chang and Wang An together…
The latter sounds so…
So peaceful and prosperous.
Hahahaha, upstairs, that suspicious pause, tell me, what were you originally going to say?
Probably wanted to say “earthy.”
I originally wanted to say the name sounds like a minor character.
But thinking about the late Eastern Han period, according to our later analysis, it was called the Little Ice Age, with average temperatures much colder than now, coupled with land annexation reaching its peak at the end of the dynasty, intensifying public resentment…
Naming, to place some hope, calling it “An” (peace) isn’t wrong.
Indeed, if it weren’t for Taizu’s subordinates introducing cotton through the Silk Road, and the timely emergence of cotton clothing, who knows how many would have died in that environment.
Your Majesty’s memoirs also mention that in her early years, she used mulberry bark to make clothes, and the people of Leping said, thankfully, because the bark was tough, they didn’t eat it all (sigh).
Ah, speaking of it is all heartache, so Your Majesty’s ascension was truly the will of the people.
Looking at it this way, what’s wrong with the name Wang An? Nothing!
At least it’s easier to distinguish than Fengxiao, Fengxian, Xiaoxian, right?
Guo Jia: ????? Why suddenly mention me, what does it have to do with me?
Makes sense, the three above really look similar.
Shaking upstairs vigorously, they are clearly very different.
Fengxiao is Guo Jia, Fengxian is Lü Bu, Xiaoxian… wait, who is Xiaoxian?
It’s Mao Jie.
Originally Cao Cao’s subordinate in Yanzhou, later sent to farm the land.
Don’t stray off-topic, friends.
So are we discussing whether Wang An’s name is so common it’s elegant, or how it got on the key protection list?
Right, why would Lü Bu specifically protect someone who seems so obscure?
Being suddenly brought up, it shouldn’t mean Your Majesty misjudged this person, right?
Wow, I just went to type a few words, and you’ve already chatted so much.
Of course, it’s not that Your Majesty misjudged!
Because I was bored, I carefully checked this list and found that those specially protected by General Huya aren’t necessarily future political or military potentials, but those who need to ensure they don’t lose their lives during the annual military training and exercises.
This includes descendants of certain court officials and those sent from Kushan and India for “study.”
But even adding these two categories, I still couldn’t find a match for Wang An’s identity.
Kushan and Indian exchange personnel are usually recorded in the Ministry of Rites’ list, and there’s no record of Wang An in surviving documents (though he does sound like a name a foreigner might adopt in China).
Right, that makes sense.
Also, the Taizu court was very concerned about using barbarians to control barbarians and ethnic unity. If Wang An came from the Qiang or southern barbarian tribes, it would also be recorded in documents, but there’s no evidence of that.
I had already given up on tracing this guy’s origins, after all, it’s two thousand years apart, guessing his background isn’t interesting, and we can’t be sure if General Huya might have written the name wrong.
Like writing Wang An as Wang An, right?
I’m dying, what misunderstanding do you have about Lü Bu!!
He just didn’t pass his daughter’s exam, he’s not illiterate! (Furious)
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Hey hey, can you pay attention, the whistleblower here is surnamed Lü.
Hahahahaha, please, less stereotyping of General Lü.
Quiet, quiet, wait for the upstairs to spill the tea.
Because of a previous victory coin trade, we found General Longxiang’s tomb, and from the tomb keeper’s records, we learned about Prime Minister Wei’s background, so I wondered if Wang An might be a similar case.
In the early Yuan Zhao period, there were indeed cases where people needed to hide their identities, especially since there was the Battle of Ye City in the first year of Yuan Zhao, during which many Hebei noble families were purged.
But after discussing with experts who were transferring tomb artifacts, we thought this was unlikely.
The main reason is—
Taizu had a bottom line regarding Hebei noble families, and given the issue of dynastic transition, even Ju Shou and Shen Pei couldn’t be directly employed, let alone an unknown young talent.
Yes, Taizu was very clear-headed in the game between imperial power and noble families.
Wuwuwu, if I were in that position, I might just look at the beautiful noble ladies on the left, listen to the literary praises on the right, and get completely dizzy.
So beautiful, so eloquent, I love it.
Upstairs, don’t make me laugh, don’t act out my state.
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After ruling out all the above speculations, only one possibility remains.
A somewhat strange guess.
This Wang An is a descendant of the previous dynasty.
A member of the Han family?
But this reason alone isn’t enough to require such secrecy.
Princess Yang’an had already followed Your Majesty to Bingzhou when she was still the Governor of Bingzhou. By that logic, her son also has Han lineage, yet he studied at the academy under a normal identity.
Your Majesty gave Liu Yu and Liu Xie a peaceful end because the Han handed over the Imperial Seal. Their posthumous titles were Kang, meaning peaceful and virtuous, and Xian, meaning wise and virtuous, both complimentary. For Governor Liu Biao of Jing Province, she also took a conciliatory approach, allowing Liu Qi’s son to enter the academy after he voluntarily retired.
This shows that except for the Ye City faction, the transition from Han to Yong was considered smooth by Your Majesty.
It couldn’t be that Liu Bian didn’t die and was arranged to study at Leping Academy, could it?
Don’t scare me! History records that Liu Bian was executed in the market and was allowed a grand burial by Your Majesty.
The tomb has been opened and the cause of death and identity verified!
I’m not talking about Liu Bian, but Liu Xie.
Ah???
No, Emperor Xian of Han, is it necessary??
He’s already the Duke of Shanyang, just lie flat and be done with it.
No no, even if he doesn’t lie flat, if he just goes to Leping Academy to learn some knowledge, Your Majesty wouldn’t restrict him, right?
Replying to upstairs, I don’t think he should appear at Leping Academy under the identity of the former emperor.
Even if the Imperial Seal was presented by Liu Xie, representing the will of the common people, placing the former emperor in the academy is still dangerous.
Agree with upstairs.
And following this logic, if Liu Xie really wanted to study, he would have to disguise himself, which doesn’t prove that Wang An is Liu Xie.
(Upstairs, can you change your name? You and your upstairs together, I’m really afraid you’ll fight.)
Listen to what the whistleblower says, I won’t comment for now.
(There are still two months before I can change my name, I’m peaceful and won’t fight.)
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After having this speculation, I started looking for two things.
One is the Shanyang County records.
The other is the list of the 10th Yuan Zhao year’s National Day celebration.
Both are accessible, and with the help of those involved in tomb excavation, finding information is easier.
Seriously, the whistleblower is a pity not to study history.
This ability to discover problems, make guesses, and verify with historical materials is amazing.
Speaking of National Day celebrations, I want to cry. (Worker intermittently popping up)
The Great Yong officials’ National Day celebrations didn’t have any holiday adjustments.
Taizu even issued an edict saying that if officials had to work seven or eight days in a row because of the traditional holiday, it meant there were efficiency issues within the Three Departments and Six Ministries, suggesting internal reflection to improve bureaucratic redundancy.
Wuwuwu, I need a Taizu to save me.
I was watching intently, but upstairs made me put on a pained expression.
What a regression.
Forget it, thinking that it was only after Your Majesty ascended the throne that women could hold official positions, I feel it’s better now.
That’s true.
For friends who aren’t clear, Shanyang isn’t the hometown of Zhongchang Gongli, who proposed “Changyan,” but a place in Youfufeng renamed Shanyang, establishing Shanyang County.
Just like Duke Anyi of Han Kangdi was named after Anyi County.
Overall, Emperor Xian of Han’s status was equivalent to a county marquis of a large county, but unlike the Han’s county marquis, he couldn’t establish a state with the county.
The Shanyang County records started from Emperor Xian of Han being enfeoffed as Duke of Shanyang, passed down for over two thousand years.
It seems like everything is in order.
At first glance, there doesn’t seem to be any issue.
However, those who have paid attention to this county chronicle will notice that in the twelfth volume, the section on figures, the records about Liu Xie are surprisingly sparse.
Comparing it with the “Huayang Guozhi,” it’s not even because Liu Yan became the governor of Yizhou that it gained its name, yet there are quite a few descriptions of Liu Yan, even recording how Zhang Lu’s mother gained Liu Yan’s trust through the Taishi Path, making the “Shanyang County Chronicle’s” records on Liu Xie seem even more scant.
To be precise, the most important sentence might just be this one:
“In the 24th year of Yuanzhao, Xie excelled in medical skills, benefiting the local community.”
[137th floor] Yanyan Qiguang
Looking at it this way, it does seem a bit off.
The 24th year of Yuanzhao is a full 24 years after His Majesty ascended the throne.
If earlier Liu Xie felt guilty because the Han dynasty ended in his hands, then the county chronicle should have mentioned his dedication to medical skills or where he practiced and learned to acquire such skills, rather than just “excelling in medical skills.”
[138th floor] Yam and Pork Rib Soup
It’s as if his medical skills appeared out of thin air.
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[145th floor] Victory Coin All Set
Moreover, in the subsequent thirty years of records, although there are gaps and jumps, it basically mentions his various initiatives for the local area of Shanyang every two to three years, until Liu Xie passed away.
Where did this missing 24 years go?
His Majesty could tolerate his widespread benevolence in the local area later and let him live to the ripe old age of seventy, so it’s unlikely that he would have confined him in his early years, especially since His Majesty was at the peak of his popularity and strength at that time, and there was no need to worry about what a lone commander like Liu Xie could stir up.
[146th floor] Victory Coin All Set
With this doubt, I flipped through the celebration list of the 10th year of Yuanzhao and saw a name in the attendee list—
Wang An, the magistrate of Shangyong.
So I turned to check the Shangyong County Chronicle.
[147th floor] No Hot Pot
Where is Shangyong?
[148th floor]
In Hanzhong, Yizhou.
[149th floor] Victory Coin All Set
Yes, Shangyong in Hanzhong, Yizhou.
In this county chronicle, there are a few interesting sentences, not in the figures section, but in the economic section.
It says that during the Da Yong period, Shangyong, due to its surrounding bamboo mountain resources, established two paper mills to meet the increasing demand for reading materials in Da Yong. At that time, the magistrate of Shangyong, Lord Wang An, balanced industry and agriculture, even personally treating illnesses, making Shangyong politically harmonious and attracting countless travelers from Jingzhou and Yizhou, many of whom stayed here.
After Lord Wang returned to his hometown in the 24th year of Yuanzhao to mourn his parents’ passing, the local officials mostly followed the precedents set by Wang An in the following decades.
What do you think now?
[150th floor] Koukou
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[151st floor] Cute and Brainless
My brain is buzzing.
I need someone to help me sort this out.
[152nd floor] Yanyan Qiguang
Wait, let me straighten this out.
What the OP means is—
Magistrate Wang An of Shangyong resigned in the 24th year of Yuanzhao due to his parents’ passing and was skilled in medicine.
Duke Liu Xie of Shanyang started practicing medicine in Shanyang after the 24th year of Yuanzhao and had some governance skills.
Is that correct?
[153rd floor] Shijiazhuang Zhao Zilong
Holy crap!!!!
[154th floor] She Yu!!!!!!
[155th floor] Seven Steps to a Poem
I’m getting goosebumps.
[156th floor] First in Line for Melons
Oh my god, if there’s no connection between these two, I’ll eat the OP.
[157th floor] OP???????
Wait, you’re expressing your amazement, but what do you mean by eating me?
[158th floor] First in Line for Melons
Probably because the main topic was initiated by you.
[159th floor]
I’m serious, I don’t like to force historical coincidences together, but the connection between Liu Xie and Wang An, I think it’s highly likely to be true.
[160th floor] Excavator
OP, you’re doing something big!!!
[161st floor] Ah Heng, Truly Peerless
Mom, if this is true, the first person among the obscure figures of Leping Academy is undoubtedly him.
[162nd floor] She Yu
If the reasoning isn’t wrong, the textbooks about Liu Xie need to be updated!!!
The OP isn’t just doing something big; it’s like causing an earthquake.
[163rd floor] Your Big Sister is Still Your Big Sister
Amazing, truly amazing.
[164th floor] Fengxiao Brand Hangover Cure
Before clicking in: Just a small obscure topic.
After clicking in and reading up to now: Am I not drunk?
[165th floor] Burning Three Hans
But, if this analysis is correct, Liu Xie, Wang An, why would he do such a thing?
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[175th floor] Victory Coin All Set
When I told this discovery to the expert who helped me find the materials, he said there’s a relatively reasonable guess.
In Wang Can’s “Records of Heroes,” there’s a passage about Liu Xie, saying that when Emperor Taizu attacked Chang’an and succeeded, he was taken hostage by Li Jue and fled, wandering in Yizhou, where he was adopted by someone and lived a civilian life in seclusion, thus gaining a deeper understanding of the world, which led to his act of presenting the imperial seal to His Majesty.
[176th floor] Victory Coin All Set
Wang Can, as everyone knows, is a loyal fan of Emperor Taizu, often lavishing praise on him, with “The Goddess Sends Off the Expedition” being a typical example, but his literary style tends to be pragmatic, especially when writing “Records of Heroes,” where he rarely embellished, so the credibility of this passage is high.
If we take this as true—
Then it’s highly likely that the people who adopted Liu Xie were the parents of Wang An who passed away in the 24th year of Yuanzhao, as recorded.
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I understand, he might not have revealed his identity as the former emperor to this couple, but after studying at Leping Academy for three years, he became an official in Yizhou under a legitimate identity to benefit the local area, until…
[178th floor] Yanyan Qiguang
Until this couple passed away, Liu Xie became Liu Xie again, returning to his fief in Shanyang.
Using the medical skills and governance abilities he learned earlier, he benefited the people of this place.
[179th floor] Dream of Holding the Sun
With the speed of information dissemination at that time and no portraits of Liu Xie left, it was possible!
[180th floor] Seven Steps to a Poem
Holy crap!
[181st floor] Yam and Pork Rib Soup
Help, when I thought the story was already exciting, it told me it could be even more exciting.
[182nd floor] Cola Without Ice
Mom asked me why I’m kneeling while reading the forum.
[183rd floor] A Passerby
Not to say, although this is just a history forum, some things can’t be taken seriously.
But I want to believe this is true.
[184th floor] Long Live Emperor Wu
This news, I can’t react to it right away.
It feels a bit too legendary.
[185th floor] Fengxiao Brand Hangover Cure
But when you think about it, this person is the last emperor of the Han dynasty, and it feels like—
Anyway, his experiences are already legendary, adding a bit more legend to it doesn’t hurt.
[186th floor] No Hot Pot
For some reason, the phrase that pops into my head at this moment is, like a beautiful dream.
[187th floor] Cute and Brainless!!!!!!
Upstairs, this description!
[188th floor] No Hot Pot
I’m not good at expressing, is it strange?
But if I were to draw it, it might indeed have a very dreamy background.
[189th floor] Ah Heng, Truly Peerless
No no no, not strange at all, you’re very articulate, this expression is simple but very fitting.
Really… like a dream.
[190th floor] Yam and Pork Rib Soup
I can hardly imagine what kind of mood Liu Xie was in when he studied at Leping Academy.
But thinking about him entrusting the royal cause to a wise ruler, I feel it’s better not to speculate with my food brain.
[191st floor] Yanyan Qiguang
Thinking about it, this kid had a hard time, almost being dealt with by Empress He at birth, but his mother was gone too.
Later, he encountered Dong Zhuo.
But if he ended up like this, it’s quite comforting.
[192nd floor] Dream of Holding the Sun
If it’s really like this, I won’t say the word “peace” is corny.
Either he sought peace himself, or he hoped for the world’s peace.
He achieved both in the end.
As the magistrate of Shangyong, as the Duke of Shanyang, as Emperor Xian of Han, he was qualified.
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How is it not a dream?
Actually, Liu Xie presenting the imperial seal was already like a dream, but if this 24-year, or even 30-year, name-changing period was the true handover between the Han and Da Yong, then it’s more like a carefully nurtured dream.
With Liu Xie’s identity, he absolutely couldn’t preside over the governance of more than a county, and even if another emperor were on the throne, he wouldn’t have the chance to govern, but Emperor Taizu was willing to fulfill his filial piety to his adoptive parents, allowing him to become a successful person for a county in Yizhou, and also willing to fulfill his concern for the people, letting him use his medical skills and governance abilities to draw a final period for the Han.
This handover wasn’t clearly recorded, but those involved knew.
[194th floor] Victory Coin All Set
Yes.
They all knew that the Han had a more complete ending.
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[221st floor] Shanyang Still
For a moment, I don’t know what words to use to express my feelings.
I didn’t expect this thread to be about Liu Xie before clicking in, but…
Hey, I won’t say much, just one sentence.
This handover and transmission probably also represents the grace of Huaxia.
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[250th floor] Dragon Stride, Tiger Step
Came in following the hot search term.
After flipping through the entire thread, I’ll just say one thing—
From now on, whoever says the Lu family has no brains, I’ll be the first to oppose.
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[397th floor] First in Line for Melons
Then, I’ll come in to say a summary—
OP, OP are you there OP, I have good news for you.
This connection has been proven true by historians.
So, I don’t have to eat you!
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[408th floor] OP
Ah… thank you.
Author’s note:
Every previous forum thread had a slightly biased person.
The next one won’t.
The next forum thread is called: Is there anyone who wants to discuss what the figures of Emperor Taizu’s court could do if they came to the modern era.
I was a bit conflicted, whether to write about Da Yong’s Three Kingdoms characters coming to the modern era or the original Three Kingdoms characters coming to Da Yong, but thinking about it, if it’s the modern era, it’s more interesting with more people, and it’s too long to put in a forum thread for everyone to discuss, with a bit of historical development follow-up for each character.
The crossover extra will write about the original Three Kingdoms characters coming to Da Yong, currently tentatively Guo Jia, Zhuge Liang, Zhen Mi, and Cai Zhaoji. (Might add Cao Cao, waking up on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau)
I see many people nominating the underworld extra, but I’m not very confident, I’ll see then.
Da Yong crossing to the original Three Kingdoms definitely won’t be written, too sad, can’t bear it.
See you tomorrow morning at 9:30.